Nina Saunders Meets Sallie Leslie / Hadrian Pigott Meets John Butcher - ACE360.3

Pigott in his studio; some of his completed soap carvings, and a motorcycle cast in grey fibreglass. Pigott talking about the sort of person he’d like to make an art-work for. John Butcher, who has opted "for the extremes of new musical improvisation", playing the saxophone. He talks about his work and his experiences. Pigott arriving at Butcher’s house. He shows him one of his pieces, Instrument of Hygiene, a washbasin with taps and related objects in a special carrying-case. Butcher’s VO over footage of himself playing, comparing the experiences of looking at a piece of "difficult" art and listening to "difficult" music. Tour of Butcher’s house, concentrating on Butcher’s own practice room. Butcher saying he has absolutely no idea what Pigott might produce. Butcher and Pigott VOs (Pigott taking some materials to his workshop and himself playing), Butcher saying Pigott shouldn’t worry about whether or not he’s going to like the result, Pigott saying Butcher’s music is "recognisable …unexpected … somewhat unusual" and wants his piece to have some of those qualities. Pigott using latex to make a saxophone-shaped mould; he wants the final object to be recognisable, but also "indistinct". Butcher practising. Pigott doesn’t like his initial result and tries again. Butcher saying he won’t be able to pretend if he likes the result or not. Pigott showing Butcher and his family and friends the finished piece, which he’s called Mute. Credits.